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March 27, 2008

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BERNARD MOORE

It would be interesting if you looked into the top salaries of non government organisations that are fully funded via local authorities, and you will see that for substantialy less responsibility they are not far behind those on this list.

Start with the remaining Connexions companies.

BERNARD MOORE

You are very good at giving misleading information. I was included in the list of council staff that were paid more than £50k in your Jan list. You need to know that due to services being outsourced, and then redundancies the lis is now somewhat lower. At the same time services have been reduced to levels that are unsatisfactory. The comparisons you make to Govt ministers salaries and other people outside public service are wrong as you seem to ignore other expenses and extras that they enjoy. So if you want some credit, take the credit for this partly due to your inaccurate, much discredited, biased research.

Kevin Logan

Here we go again, Local Authority bashing. If the public want quality services then they are going to have to pay for them, either through central taxation or local taxation (Council Tax). If you want top people directing and improving services you have to pay top salaries or else lose these people to private companies. How about comparing salaries with company directors?

Paul Jacklin

It's interesting to see you break this story in a week when the CEO of HBOS spent over £414,000 pounds on HBOS shares just PART of this year's bonus. Would be good to see alist of CEOs who earn less than £25,000!

Richard Borrie

If you don't like HBOS you always have the choice to bank somewhere else. If you think your local authority executives are paid too much there is nothing you can do about it.

I am quite happy to pay for quality services - but the best way to ensure quality is free market competition. Local authorities are service monopolies and have no incentive to provide value for money - that is why your council tax bill goes up above the rate of inflation every year.

elizabeth Midford

Tax payers have a right to know how much local officials are being paid and what their connections are with non-governmnetal organisations/charities. What saddens me even more is that Oxfam, the well-known anti-poverty charity which also campaigns to eradicate poverty in the United Kingdom, gives the appearance of becoming an arm of the Labour party. The deputy director and head of campaigns of Oxfam's UK Poverty Programme loves publicly to condemn Conservative policy proposals. This Oxfam senior manager writes on her blog: "Some Tory councillor in Kent wants to sterilise benefits recipients. You know the people that write frothingly awful rightwing-as-fuck comments below any blogpost about the welfare state? Well, one of them actually got elected! Christ." David Cameron's appointment of Richard Balfe as his envoy to the trade union movement provides another opportunity for this Oxfam official to sneer at the Tories. She writes: "a Conservative envoy to the union movement. Note how the virulent anti-union rightwinger gets hushed up in the comments by the nodding heads." She also wants to put more money in the pockets of families living below the poverty line whether in work or not through tax credits and benefits is, and is a staunch supporter of Gordon Brown's tax credts, even though there is sufficient evidence to suggest that tax credits hide poverty rather than addressing it. What makes this Oxfam manager's public statements about the Conservative party even more unacceptable is that she happens to be a Labour Councillor in Oxford and a local Labour party spokesperson on poverty in the UK. Isn't there a conflict of interests here, I wonder.

Paul Hill

Considering that most Councils have provided the information requested, why don't the TPA open appeal cases with the Information Commissioner's Office to force the rest to do so as it's clear they will have no defence against refusing? i.e. by citing the others as references of availability and affordability of providing the same information at their peers.

Peter Farley

I seem to remember some years back that local councils were faced with the choice of either raising the salaries of council employees to get a professional executive or elevating the role of councillors from volunteers with expenses reimbursed to local representatives paid a salary in recognition for the time required to make sure the council worked efficiently. Am I missing something here, or have we ended up with both financial burdens and no evidence of any meaningful improvement in services - in fact mostly the opposite. Now we have the sorry sight of councillors looking to jump on the ridiculous pension largesse enjoyed by council employees (catching up with the backlog of which is forming yet another significant part of this year's inflation busting rise in council tax.) There is little evidence I can find in our local council of any effort being made to provide better services at cheaper costs - or manage the budget more efficiently. For example some £200,000 was wasted on an ill-thought out open-air concert last summer and all we had was an apology. No resignations, no firings, no demotions - no responsibility. Is it any wonder nobody takes any of them seriously anymore - apart from themselves. And there are enough of them - 26 in Mid-Sussex, or around 1 for every 2,000 people. If that was translated into Westeminster representation we would have more than 13,000 MP's!!!

George Shanks

Instead of relying on the FOI legislation to get this information, is it not about time that Councils, and all other public sector bodies, had to produce this information annually by law. We keep hearing about Open Government. Now's the time to put that slogan into action. No more secrecy. Keep up the good work.

taxpayer #12,346,817

Here we go again, perpetuating the myth that "quality services" will arise if we hand over massive funds to Local Authorities.

Due to the incentive structures, LAs are incapable of providing anything that even approaches "quality". The vast funds they already extract from us only go into quangos, bloat, pointless middle management, political correctness, plus (grudgingly) a few crummy services that are of any public value.

Let's compare LA salaries with company directors: directors only get paid and keep their job if they deliver what their customers want. LA executives get paid regardless, and are usually rewarded for failure.

Michael Davis

A Councillor has defended his Chief Executive's salary with the argument that the Council's 'turnover' justifies the salary. This old chestnut! Council spend is not the same as business turnover. True turnover is total sales won in open competition in the market place. Council tax is merely total spend divided by the number of taxpayers, and taxpayers have no choice but to pay or go to prison. Some business!

Bob Davis

Paul Jacklin is completely wrong to suggest that council tax "goes up above the rate of inflation every year" because there is no incentive to improve. Councils have to meet increasing demands from the public for social care, improved roads etc etc AND yet the central Government cuts the level of support it gives to councils - especially in the South. Many councils have cut away the management layers and "back office staff", saving millions of pounds and still keeping the front line services. West Sussex CC has saved £30m over the last two years doing this. The reason the council tax is going up is the poor levels of Government grant and above inflation cost increases of things like landfill tax and materials for road repairs. If you don't want cuts in services then council tax has to go up to meet the shortfall in Government grants.

Tom Scott

It is worthless to compare local authority executives with the private sector. All private sector executives have to fight to win their business, their companies do not have government grants and the right to send an inflation busting bill through everyone's door. Local authorities only have to do the easy bit - providing the services - they don't have to find the business. Their executives should be renumerated accordingly. Their is no excuse for private sector levels of pay for only half the job.

Trevor Welburn

I don't really know what all the fuss is about!! These people have been grossly overpaid since Adam was a lad!!
Still, let's not worry too much because the European Union will soon be knocking them all out of touch.

Chris Braithwaite

Firstly, well done the TPA for shining a light into a particularly murky area.
Secondly, the Councils failing or refusing to resond are a disgrace. Every Company Director has to, legally, disclose their remuneration yet tax funded officials think they are exempt.
Thirdly, let's not equate high pay to high performance or justify these salaries on competitive grounds. Most of these Council Officials couldn't move to the private sector because they would be unemployable there.
Lastly, has anyone else noticed a strange correlation? The higher the Chief Exec's salary the higher number of underlings earning £100k+ Take a look at Herts., Northants., Leeds and Manchester.
Snouts in troughs.

susan herring

Suffolk County Council has to be the worst offender; they have recently finished a multi-million glass palace in Ipswich and recruited a new chief executive at K220 per annum. Against public opinion, they are closing down all our excellent Middle Schools and, for those of us in rural areas, provide few or no services for their two-thirds of everybody's council tax. Isn't it time that this inneffectual and expensive layer of government was removed across Britain?

allan pond

well done. the whingeing from L.A. aparatchiks is only to be expected and shows they are worried by your excellent attempt to throw some light on the murkey world of the public salariat. Is there any common party thread to those councils that have refused to resp0nd, or are they all shades of the lib/lab/conspiracy against the tax-payer ? I note that newcastle on tynme council has refused to respond. they are run by the liberals who once upon a time claimed to believe in open government-fat chance ! keep up the excellent work.

Ian Brown

Here in sunny Milton Keynes we've had the Borough Council chief officer told to `resign or be sacked'-we've got the Borough's chief education officer resigning (for `health' reasons). A senior councillor falling on his sword- all three are because of a damning report on the failure of MKBC's schools programme.One new school almost fell down! Less than fulsome apologies have been grudgingly ground-out but not by all!
It seems to me incredible that we have three simultaneous failures of such terribly talented `high-flyers' said to be worthy of our trust and monetary largesse. The truth is they are just `people like us' and not worthy of such high self-regard. They are cetainly not worthy of our high regard!

lesliebeswick

I have just heard Mr.K.Thornber, leader of Hampshire County Council defending his pay on BBC Radio Solent. He likened his job to business directors of companies whose turnover is over a £160 million per annum to justify his salary. I really cannot understand just how he can liken his position to business directors, as private business directors are responsible for the turnover & profits of their individual companies, unlike the County Councils, whose income is solely derived from the taxpayer, who has no choice in the amount of money he/she pays for the services given by Councils etc. Should Councils be run on the same basis as a private company, selling their services, they would be bankrupt within a very short space of time, therefore in my opinion, Councils do not earn the income they receive from the taxpayer in the same way as a private business would.

namu

Why the pointless comparisons with the basic pay of the Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers? We all know their basic pay, and the pay of MPs in general, is but one component of a generous package of pay and pensions and even more generous allowances they are desperate to keep secret.

Bigskip

How about something radical, why don't we judge/pay these 'top people' by what efficiences and savings they make on behalf of their cash strapped ratepayers. All they ever do is bleat from one year to the next about not enough cash. Public bodies are well known for ensuring they blow all their budgets (no matter how small or large), so they can justify an increase year in year out. Do what we non-public funded employees have no choice in doing, budget with less year in year out.

Simon, Kent

BERNARD MOORE says "Here we go again, Local Authority bashing. If the public want quality services then they are going to have to pay for them".

We get 1 star service yet we pay 5 star prices. All this rubbish about paying for top quality people is just a red herring. I doubt that one of the highly paid executives would last five minutes in the private sector. How many have been head hunted by private companies? These people are just a bunch of freeloaders riding the gravy train. Private companies wouldn't give them the time of day. 100% increase in council tax in 10 years. Is there a 100% increase in service? I think not, though I bet some of these people have seen a 100% increase in salary. Like everyone in the public sector they think they are doing the world a favour just by turning up for work.

We are now taxed at the highest rate in history. There is going to come a point when the private sector cannot generate money as fast as the public sector spends it. I should think we're getting close to that point now.

namu

Bigskip said: "Like everyone in the public sector they think they are doing the world a favour just by turning up for work."

What a moronic comment, Bigskip. Just because you don't like paying their wages doesn't mean you should insult the vast majority of public sector workers who aren't overpaid and who are just as likely to put in a fair days work as their private sector counterparts. The council workers and teachers I know are just as dedicated to their work as I was in the private sector.

John Bull

Bernard Moore: "If the public want quality services then they are going to have to pay for them". The usual gravy train myth spouted by greedy government pigs with their snouts in the trough. The trouble is Bernard that the "quality services" are mostly piss poor and many of the "executives" on high salaries are mediocre at best. It's a gravy train of exploitative greed. The fat cats earning these huge amounts are the same who decide on the number of redundancies for the poorer staff struggling further down the food chain. Disgusting! Indefensible! And you, Bernard Moore, if you are party to such blatent greed, should hang your head in shame, not dare to post comments attempting to defend these greedy bloodsuckers!

Steve Robson

Are people who support the taxpayers alliance really as stupid as they appear to be. Council Tax goes up because of ever increasing demands particularly from an ageing population and increasing standards in areas like care, combined with reducing grants from central government. If Council's didn't make the 3% efficiency savings per annum that are required of them (compared to the average annual private sector productivity increase of 2%), Council tax would go up faster or old and disabled people would end up receiving no care or other services would not be provided. To achieve this requires reasonable salaries; not the £20million plus per annum received by people like the head of Barclays, but £100K or so does not seem unreasonable in comparison to salaries in the private sector, which are actually much higher than you people seem to think.

Without decent Managers to deliver savings and effective services, you really will see increases in tax and/or failure. If you're lucky, we'll end up back with the cities a low tax economy delivered in Victorian times; workhouses, cholera and public squalor.

The reality is also not that public sector Managers wouldn't survive in the private sector (Rod Aldridge seems to have done okay), but that those few private sector managers who are prepared to slum it on public sector pay rarely last five minutes. It seems that for most of them dealing with complex politics, a demanding electorate, customers they cannot choose and late evening Committee meetings every week prove too much. Get real!

And could the taxpayers alliance please publish their own salaries. As they appear to have decided that all local authority managers are "failures", Mr Elliott will presumably resign if he fails in his campaign to reduce taxes.

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